Pr. Matt and Merry sit down with the Rev. Dr. Fred Lehr, author of the book Becoming a 21st Century Church. We look at the reforms the church goes through every 500 years, and how we are due for one now. We also chat about how congregations can better partner with the communities where they are situated, and finding ways to do something "with" others instead of "for" others. Dr. Lehr also talks about those who have had no religious afiliation for generations, and how many folk could be called "1st generation" Christians again. He also discusses his model for a 21st century church that centers around worship and has a robust 501c3 outreach program partnered with people from the community.